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When can cria digest solids / grass?
Jun 9th, 2007, 7:50pm
 
Hi all,
 
Something of a success story with our orphaned cria, Tegan. Born on March 24th, now 11 weeks old and taking 3 or 4 feeds of Wombaroo every day. Also likes eating alpaca mix from the feed barn, but a vet told me a while back that she wouldn't be digesting this until about 12 weeks.
 
As our first little baby (human!) girl arrived on Thursday, we are keen to wean the cria from the bottles now, as I am sure you can imagine!
 
The cria is still relatively small, she's hard to weigh as she doesn't like being held, but she is a stocky build and would have to be somewhere near 16-18 kg by now. Also, both her parents are/were quite small, so I'm not overly concerned about her weight, rather her overall development.
 
Can I now start to reduce the bottle feeds, or will this put a bit too much strain on her digestive system? We still have plenty of Wombaroo, so there's no problem with availability of feed.
 
Thanks to all,
 
Matt & Jessica (and Isabella!)
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Re: When can cria digest solids / grass?
Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2007, 11:40am
 
Hello Matt and Jessica and Isabella!
 
Congratulations!  You didn't mention weight, conformation, "fleece" colour, density, crimp, eye colour.......  Wink You certainly didn't pick very good weather to add to the family, hope you brought new bub into the house to keep warm !!!!! Well done! Future alpaca breeder/handler?????
 
You have obviously done a good job with Tegan too.  If you can't feel her ribs, then she has good weight on her.  If she is running around with the others, doing the late afternoon pronk, then she is in good health.  You could try gradually cutting her down to 3 feeds ( we use a human baby's bottle after the first 2 weeks so the amount is more) and then drop it back to 2 and see if she is looking for more between bottles.  We had a cria orphaned at 3 ˝ months, he absolutely refused to take a bottle, but hoed into grass and feed and grew well.  They CAN survive without mum/milk after 3 months if looked after and offered good feed regularly, they are tougher than most people think.  If Tegan is in good health then you shouldn't have a problem, but being a female you will want to make sure she continues to grow well - sorry boys!!!! I will add a basic feeding schedule here, and it is BASIC, only you the handler knows your cria, but it is a good guideline.  Everyone has their own opinion on this, so I stress it is ONLY a guideline.  This is how we handle the situation anyway.
 
CRIA FEEDING.
 
 
10% of bodyweight every day (up to a maximum of 1.2 lts, and no more than that!)
 
WEEK 1 – 5-6 feeds per day, starting at 7am, ending at 8pm
 
WEEK 2 – 5 feeds per day, starting at 7am, ending at 8pm
 
WEEK 3 – 4-5 feeds per day, starting at 7am, ending at 7pm
 
WEEK 4 – 4 feeds per day, starting at 7am, ending at 7pm
 
Continue with 4 feeds per day, cria will usually let you know if she doesn’t want a bottle, or won’t drink the full amount.  As soon as you can, switch to a normal (human) baby bottle, makes life easier, holds more. By 8-9 weeks you can cut back to 3 feeds per day (ending at 6pm) if the cria hasn’t already cut back herself.  She should be eating grass and drinking water properly by this stage anyway. By 12 weeks you might be onto 2 bottles a day, morning and night, making life a lot easier still. But you can always offer another bottle if the cria seems hungry.  You must keep a check on her weight regularly, or body score her by hand, making sure her ribs are well covered.  Continue with 2 bottles until 5 ˝ months old, then 1 bottle and then wean at 6 months. She may wean herself earlier.
 
This is a guide only, you will find the cria will dictate how much she wants, she may want more and she may want less. Depends if her mum has any milk at all.  Bottle fed crias always go to their mums to satisfy the sucking instinct, usually straight after a bottle, but don’t think this means there IS milk there.  Orphaned crias will usually hoe into grass/offered feed a little earlier as they have no mum to run to, but they must be kept with the herd, do not at any time make them a "pet", whether male or female,  they are livestock and must be treated as such or you could encourage a personality problem in the cria, which can be dangerous. At all times treat them with kindness and respect, but try to refrain from cuddling and petting them.
 
Good luck. !!!
 
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2007, 2:04pm
 
Thanks Helen,
 
Firstly the important stuff...LOL! Isabella weighed in at 3.19kg (about 7 pounds?) and 48.5cm long, a natural birth made possible by a simply brilliant effort from her mum.
 
As for the cria - With her feeds up until recently, she was taking about 350-400ml per bottle, and was being fed at 7am, 11am, 3pm, and 7pm or thereabouts. Often her first morning feed would only be 200-250, and in really bad weather I went out and offered her a 5th bottle around 11pm.
 
For a few weeks there she was consistently taking between 1.5 to 1.9 litres in a day - we didn't force it, but if she wanted more it was there. More recently it's been back around 1.2 litres, I suspect this is because she is eating alot more mix and grass.
 
She still runs with the herd too - Comes running over for her bottle, but is straight back to the girls once she is done. We've been careful not to 'over-pet' her. At best we get to scratch her cheeks and neck, but she's not overly cuddly or sooky. And she HATES me picking her up or even just holding her to feel her ribs, so I think we have got the mix right between the necessary level of human contact and letting her grow up being a 'paca.
 
Last night I got home late from the hospital...and she was deep in conversation with a wombat! He'd made his way into the girls paddock, the crias were very intrigued. I suspect he'd be an adolescent male. Reggae was in the next paddock going nuts. I think he was worried about the safety of the cria, but the young ones didn't care, they thought he was great.
 
So all in all, I gather we are on the right track bringing her back to 2 or 3 feeds for a total of between 800-1200ml per day for the next couple of weeks. I'd like to keep the feeds on for a little longer, mainly because of the cold weather we will experience in the next two months. But as long as I know she is achieving a safe 'base line' then I will sleep better!
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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2010, 10:57pm
 
***Bump***
 
Just in reference to Janet's discussion about bottle feeding. Thought this information would be helpful.
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2010, 1:34am
 
Hi Jessica,
 
Thanks for bringing this back up as it all helps.
 
How is Isabella going she would be coming up to 3 soon?  Has she turned out to be the future alpaca breeder?  
 
Got to ask also how is Tegan now??
 
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2010, 2:35pm
 
Hi Janet!
 
This is Matt, Jess will be home from a day out with Bella later.
 
Isabella is great, thankyou for asking, and yes she turns 3 next week! She has great confidence around all animals, especially alpacas...and they are quite taken with her too. Her only hiccup was being bowled over by a cranky poddy sheep last year...this particular ewe took a dislike to humans who were her height. The ewe narrowly avoided becoming mutton stew, but she had ALL privileges revoked, including access to Isabella's grandmother's house paddock...
 
Tegan is fantastic, she had a cria of her own late last year, after concieving to our male-in-waiting when they were both supposedly too young...Teenagers these days, I dunno! Not a planned mating, but a wonderful female cria as a result. Still a sook and happily eats from your hand at feeding time, while the rest of the herd haggle over the trough.
 
Hope your little one thrives...it really is SO worth the effort with bottle feeding.
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Reply #6 - Jul 13th, 2010, 9:02am
 
Hi  
We lost a beautiful mum alpaca last night who has left behind a 3 month old cria  cry
I am  hoping for some information on how to care for the cria ,the cria eat lucerne hay and grass  
What i should be feeding her ,would she need bottle feeding  
any help would be really grateful
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Reply #7 - Jul 13th, 2010, 11:38am
 
Kerry, How sad, sad, what did Mum die of.?   I would try my level best to get the three month old to take a bottle, try making a bigger hole in bottle and squirting, carefully of course.  Some people would not agree but that to me seems desperately young and she may not grow out properly, we do not wean ours until at least 8 or 9 months. We use mix as well so of course here would get her on that too. Good luck.      Joy
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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2010, 8:37am
 
Sorry to hear of your loss.
 
Baby's digestive system should be able to process solids now but I would still follow Joy's suggestion of trying to get some milk into her for a while yet, in case her system is a bit slower developing. Although people say about 3mths they can digest solids I suspect there will be individual differences in this and some will get more out of it than others at that age. I wouldn't risk her condition at this stage so would try a couple of bottles a day if possible. She'll probably fight it as it's unusual but I'd try to persevere.
 
Good luck, I hope she does well for you.
 
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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2010, 9:38am
 
Thank you Joy and Helen  
The Vet suspects pnemioua but she wasn't sick she had just started to loose condition ,so we drench her gave ade and all the hay she could eat  
Cria refuses to take bottle i have to syringe it into her mouth but most dribbles out ,i try stoking her under her chin so she will swollow ,i only get about 60mls in before i have to give up  
Cria is eating lucerne and drinking eating grass and yesterday ate a tiny bit of mix  
So Far she is going good but i suspect things could change very quickly  
As the cria becomes so distressd with me force feeding her i am a bit concerned about this if i am doing more harm than good by stressing her out so much
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Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2010, 11:29am
 
Hi Kerry
 
It will be very strange to her for a start so I would expect her to struggle and not to get too much in the first few times. We've found that they generally get the idea that the bottle is OK after a few times so what we do is give a little and often for the first attempts so that they get used to being and handled and having us put something in their mouth. We only mix up a little at a time, maybe 20ml - 50ml, so it's always fresh and don't persevere for more than a couple of minutes, if that, for the first few goes. We would do that several times a day. If you can get a little in each time so she gets the idea that the milk is OK we find they generally let you give them more as they get used to it and then might, but not necessarily, seek you out for a bottle. It's good that she's this old so is getting something from the solids.
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2010, 11:45pm
 
Kerry, sorry to hear about your girl. It's never easy, is it?
 
I agree with other comments here that another month or so on a bottle would be best for your cria, but if you can't convince it to take the milk I would not be too concerned. We have a breeder near us who weans at 3 months, and while I don't agree with the practice, they have a huge herd and have won many shows with their progeny.
 
If your cria does take then that's great, but you should be right if it's eating well and drinking heaps of water.
 
There's another thread somewhere where I posted pictures of our bottle fed cria at various stages, I think she had pretty much self-weaned by about 7 months, but could have been taken off her bottle by about 4 or 5 months.
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Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2010, 8:39am
 
Everyone is right she probably will survive on grass and water, but how terrific if you can get some milk into her and she will thrive better for it.  As Helen says, bit of a struggle at first but persevere and dribble it in if you can.   I think weaning at 3 months is so sad.      Alpaca caregiver   Joy.
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Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2010, 9:51pm
 
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Hi Kerry...I was just wondering how your little cria was coming along?
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2010, 1:14pm
 
Hi Matt
Thank you for asking  
The Little cria Ruby Rose is going well ,the only thing that concerns me is the other crias her age seem to be growing a lot faster than Ruby  
I dont know if this is what Joy was talking about "not growing out properly''  
If any one could please give me some information on how to treat lice i would really appeciate it exspecially with pregnant alpacas
There are  a couple of female alpacas whom belong to the school that have been running with goats  
On school holidays they come here  
Its has been found recently the goats have lice any help or advice would be greatly recieved
I hope this all makes sense as i am  sick with Flu  
Thanks Kerry
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Reply #15 - Aug 8th, 2010, 10:19pm
 
Hi Kerry,
 
Great news on the cria - Don't worry about size too much, you know all too well that (like humans) there's a big range of 'normal'.
 
In relation to lice - We have previously used a pour-on lice treatment for MINOR lice problems. We had a couple of animals that had some one year, nothing serious. Just got some off-the-shelf stuff for sheep & goats from the rural supplies store.
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Reply #16 - Aug 9th, 2010, 9:43am
 
Kerry, Glad Ruby Rose is doing so well and what I meant by not growing out is that with less nutrition or mothers milk they will be smaller. We have two of our crias at the moment born at the same time and one is nearly twice as big as the other, one mother has masses of milk and gives her all to her baby and the other has average milk.
 
As REGARDS BITING INSECTS, SUCH AS LICE, garlic and yellow sulphur in and on the Alpaca, try tea tree spray or citronella.   However we got rid of lice once caught from a visiting stud  after shearing by putting yellow sulphur down their backs from head to tail three times over three weeks.    Hope this helps the Alpacas . Alpaca Caregiver Joy.
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